Ano ang ideal set up ng breeding tank?

Warren Ng · Posted: September 6th 2010, 6:08 pm

Just want to ask what is the ideal set up ng breeding tank ng mga discus natin. Have read so far the ffg.:

1. 20 gals with white background and white flooring.
2. Kelangan yun side icover din ba ng white just to expose the front glass for observation para iwas threaten from human traffic?
3. Kelangan ba air stone or sponge filter, kasi baka mapagkamalan black body ng parents yun black sponge.
Gaano kalakas dapat yun air coming from the air pump 100%, 50% or very soft lang.
4. Ano dapat yun water level? 95% or 60% full?
5. Paano binababa yun ph to 6.8 or 6.5? Ano nilalagay or ginagawa para ibuffer itong ph?
Have tried SERA ph down before, pero namuti lang yun glass ko :angryfire:

6. Temp is 28 to 31 deg di ba. Sabi naininduced sila magbreed kapag bigla bumaba yun temp to 26 deg parang rainy season daw sa natural habitat - is this true?
7. Plastic screen cover for the eggs after the breeding process to prevent being eaten. Pwede ba gamitin yun aluminum screen?
8. Metylene blue 1 to 2 teaspoon per 20 gal to prevent fungal infection of eggs. How many ml ba to a 20 gal ito?
9. Will continous water change during and after breeding process threaten the family resulting to all the fries eaten?

Baka meron pa kayo valuable info and practical tips for us- padagdag na lang. :bounce:

Jun Jimenez · Posted: September 6th 2010, 9:26 pm

Nice set of questions, a must for would-be-breeders, i am sure our breeding enthusiasts and masters will share their thoughts..lets wait :bounce:

Warren Ng · Posted: September 6th 2010, 9:46 pm

Jun Jimenez wrote:

Nice set of questions, a must for would-be-breeders, i am sure our breeding enthusiasts and masters will share their thoughts..lets wait :bounce:

Thanks sir jun for supporting my thread, but i think you are more than qualified and experienced to answer all the questions above. :thumbright:

Pahabol pala, Anong brand ng air pump ang maganda na ginagamit nyo for breeding tank? Yun 2 hole ,Yun matibay at less energy consumption ah. Sorry, matagal na kasi ako d gumagamit ng air pump, lahat kasi ng tank ko ay power head for OHF kasi.

Jun Jimenez · Posted: September 6th 2010, 10:45 pm

ok sir! let me try some although i am not a breeding bug...

Warren Ng wrote:

Just want to ask what is the ideal set up ng breeding tank ng mga discus natin. Have read so far the ffg.:

1. 20 gals with white background and white flooring.
Yes 20 gals is proper, but not necessarily white, light colors will do
2. Kelangan yun side icover din ba ng white just to expose the front glass for observation para iwas threaten from
human traffic? yes sir! sometimes even the front panel should be covered when the parents are too nervous
3. Kelangan ba air stone or sponge filter, kasi baka mapagkamalan black body ng parents yun black sponge.
Gaano kalakas dapat yun air coming from the air pump 100%, 50% or very soft lang.
sponge filter lang, the lighter one or the blue, it is beneficial to place an airstone besides the eggs.
4. Ano dapat yun water level? 95% or 60% full?
minsan, kinokontian nila ang tubig para mas mapalapit ang fries sa parents at makakapit sila agad
5. Paano binababa yun ph to 6.8 or 6.5? Ano nilalagay or ginagawa para ibuffer itong ph?
Have tried SERA ph down before, pero namuti lang yun glass ko :angryfire:

No idea!
6. Temp is 28 to 31 deg di ba. Sabi naininduced sila magbreed kapag bigla bumaba yun temp to 26 deg parang rainy season daw sa natural habitat - is this true?
seems logical....
7. Plastic screen cover for the eggs after the breeding process to prevent being eaten. Pwede ba gamitin yun aluminum screen?
pag very fine na para sa lamok ay hindi siguro, just my 2 cents
8. Metylene blue 1 to 2 teaspoon per 20 gal to prevent fungal infection of eggs. How many ml ba to a 20 gal ito?
MB is usually added, just dont know the proper dosage
9. Will continous water change during and after breeding process threaten the family resulting to all the fries eaten?
i am not sure, no comment na lang

Baka meron pa kayo valuable info and practical tips for us- padagdag na lang. :bounce:

Additional tips: do not expect too much, it is a trial and error venture and we must learn from experience

Jun Jimenez · Posted: September 6th 2010, 10:48 pm

Warren Ng wrote:

Jun Jimenez wrote:

Nice set of questions, a must for would-be-breeders, i am sure our breeding enthusiasts and masters will share their thoughts..lets wait :bounce:

Thanks sir jun for supporting my thread, but i think you are more than qualified and experienced to answer all the questions above. :thumbright:

Pahabol pala, Anong brand ng air pump ang maganda na ginagamit nyo for breeding tank? Yun 2 hole ,Yun matibay at less energy consumption ah. Sorry, matagal na kasi ako d gumagamit ng air pump, lahat kasi ng tank ko ay power head for OHF kasi.

Nsb1 na brand, although mahal, yung mga 300pesos and up puede na

Warren Ng · Posted: September 7th 2010, 7:37 am

Jun Jimenez wrote:

ok sir! let me try some although i am not a breeding bug...

Warren Ng wrote:

Just want to ask what is the ideal set up ng breeding tank ng mga discus natin. Have read so far the ffg.:

1. 20 gals with white background and white flooring.
Yes 20 gals is proper, but not necessarily white, light colors will do
2. Kelangan yun side icover din ba ng white just to expose the front glass for observation para iwas threaten from
human traffic? yes sir! sometimes even the front panel should be covered when the parents are too nervous
3. Kelangan ba air stone or sponge filter, kasi baka mapagkamalan black body ng parents yun black sponge.
Gaano kalakas dapat yun air coming from the air pump 100%, 50% or very soft lang.
sponge filter lang, the lighter one or the blue, it is beneficial to place an airstone besides the eggs.
4. Ano dapat yun water level? 95% or 60% full?
minsan, kinokontian nila ang tubig para mas mapalapit ang fries sa parents at makakapit sila agad
5. Paano binababa yun ph to 6.8 or 6.5? Ano nilalagay or ginagawa para ibuffer itong ph?
Have tried SERA ph down before, pero namuti lang yun glass ko :angryfire:

No idea!
6. Temp is 28 to 31 deg di ba. Sabi naininduced sila magbreed kapag bigla bumaba yun temp to 26 deg parang rainy season daw sa natural habitat - is this true?
seems logical....
7. Plastic screen cover for the eggs after the breeding process to prevent being eaten. Pwede ba gamitin yun aluminum screen?
pag very fine na para sa lamok ay hindi siguro, just my 2 cents
8. Metylene blue 1 to 2 teaspoon per 20 gal to prevent fungal infection of eggs. How many ml ba to a 20 gal ito?
MB is usually added, just dont know the proper dosage
9. Will continous water change during and after breeding process threaten the family resulting to all the fries eaten?
i am not sure, no comment na lang

Baka meron pa kayo valuable info and practical tips for us- padagdag na lang. :bounce:

Additional tips: do not expect too much, it is a trial and error venture and we must learn from experience

Salamat sir jun for ur valuable contributions. :cheers:

Sabi ko na nga eh marami na kayo experience sa breeding. I m sure yun mga makakabasa dito ay maraming mapupulot ng info/practical tips with regards to breeding our discus. I think we all will want to be prepared when our discus became ready to spawn, and yes it is a humbling experience to see that we can help them achieve their rightful status as proud parents one day. Not that we are into commercial breeding but just want to learn further how to care for our discus from fries to juvies to become responsible parents themselves. :study:

Jeremy Ng · Posted: September 7th 2010, 2:31 pm

Hi sir Warren, here are some of my observations during spawning:

1. It is ok to cover the sides of the tank, less movements they see, more sense of security for the pair.
2 Air stone or sponge filter is ok during spawning, I prefer using sponge filter during spawning, and replace it with air stone when the fry are free swimming already.
3. I use precision air pump, switch it in "LOW'.
4 I usually fill my breeding tanks at 90% full, then lower the water level at 50-60% pag free swimming na yun fry, para mas mabilis nila malapitan ang parents nila to feed on their body slime.
5 I dont alter my pH, abrupt change of pH will do more harm than good for the breeding pair and eggs. My water pH is at 7.2-7.8. Higher pH may result in fewer eggs hatching.
6. Some recommend commercially available "black water" to lower pH.
7. Im not sure if temperature induce discus to breed. When a pair of discus starts laying eggs, tuloy-tuloy na yun, unless you separate them or move them to a different environment.
8. Plastic screen cover are for conical breeding tube, aluminum screen cover for triangular breeding tiles.
9. I dont use methylene blue all the time, depends sa pair. Check the eggs if nagfufungus.
10. Less feeding and water change for my discus pairs when they are rearing fry.

Goodluck sa breeding sir Warren, hindi mahirap magbreed, masmahirap mag raise ng discus fry. Dont forget baby brine shrimps when your fry becomes free swimming.

Warren Ng · Posted: September 7th 2010, 5:40 pm

Salamat sir jeremy for providing ur hard earned experience for breeding discus. At least hindi ako nahirapan kasi very practical yun mga tips na binagay mo compared sa mga breeding articles mo sa mga sticky natin. Medyo nasa biology class na mga yun eh. hehe. :thumbup:

You mentioned newly hatched brine shrimp for the new fries, saan mabibili yan? paano ba hinahanda yan? How much ang feeding nyan? Frozen ba sya or need to culture pa ?Me nakita ako yun nilalagay sa pail with air stone- is that it?:bounce:

Merrick G. Lim · Posted: September 7th 2010, 10:43 pm

bat po kelangang lagyan ng airstone beside the egg?

Merrick G. Lim · Posted: September 7th 2010, 10:45 pm

bawal po ba lagyan ng dalawang filter? then lagyan pa ng overhead?

Jeremy Ng · Posted: September 8th 2010, 12:02 am

Merrick G. Lim wrote:

bawal po ba lagyan ng dalawang filter? then lagyan pa ng overhead?

Overhead filter is not advisable for breeding tanks, it can produce current inside the tank which can hinder eggs fertilization.

Jeremy Ng · Posted: September 8th 2010, 12:08 am

Warren Ng wrote:

You mentioned newly hatched brine shrimp for the new fries, saan mabibili yan? paano ba hinahanda yan? How much ang feeding nyan? Frozen ba sya or need to culture pa ?Me nakita ako yun nilalagay sa pail with air stone- is that it?:bounce:

There are brine shrimp eggs available in some of our affiliates. Better keep it in ref for higher hatching rate. You can improvise using a 1.5 PET soda container to hatch the brine shrimp. Kailangan kasi conical shape, hindi advisable pail. Aerate the B.S.E. in salt water for 24 hours before feeding them to discus fry.

Sana makapunta ka sa Sept 25 sa anniversary party ng PDS, many discus breeders will give you valuable information.

Jun Jimenez · Posted: September 8th 2010, 9:51 pm

Jeremy Ng wrote:

Merrick G. Lim wrote:

bawal po ba lagyan ng dalawang filter? then lagyan pa ng overhead?

Overhead filter is not advisable for breeding tanks, it can produce current inside the tank which can hinder eggs fertilization.

...AND it will sucked the fries out of the tank...

Warren Ng · Posted: September 9th 2010, 12:01 pm

Merrick G. Lim wrote:

bat po kelangang lagyan ng airstone beside the egg?

Airstone will fan the eggs to remove dirt on their surfaces just what the parents are doing.

Merrick G. Lim · Posted: September 9th 2010, 5:07 pm

tnx po sir jeremy, sir jun, and sir warren

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